Replacing a Ceiling Rose Dave's DIY Tips

Replacing a Ceiling Rose

Originally published: January 24, 2009

There are many ceiling roses available on the market, they range from ornate ones to plain ones. There is also a great choice at B & Q which can be bought online or instore at a very reasonable price. Whichever takes your fancy I hope that this detailed post helps you replace yours easily and professionally. Dont forget to let us know in the comments how you get on.

All diagrams in this post can be clicked on to enlarge and can then be printed out if required.

Tools required

  • Side cutters (snips)
  • Insulated medium size screwdriver
  • Insulated terminal screwdriver
  • Wire strippers
  • Marker pen
  • Either test lamps or a meter to confirm the electrical supply to the ceiling rose is isolated

Start by switching off the consumer unit and removing the appropriate circuit fuse / miniature circuit breaker.

fig 1

Fig 1 shows the most common way a ceiling rose is connected assuming that the wiring is in the old colours of Red Live, Black Neutral, Green / Yellow Earth.

Cable A and Cable B are the live, neutral and earth loop to each of the ceiling roses / lights in the circuit, they remain live regardless of the light switch position, hence why the circuit needs to be isolated.

Cable C is a twin red and earth which is connected to the light-switch.

1 and 8 are the live and neutral conductors that connect to the ceiling rose lamp holder.

2 is the return live (switch-wire) from the light-switch.

3 is the live feed to the light-switch.

4 and 5 are both live conductors.

6 and 7 are both neutral conductors.

9 is the earth terminal for each of the earth conductors from each cable, the earth cables must be connected to the terminal, so must the earth at the light-switch if there is a metal back box or metal light-switch.

When the circuit has been isolated and tested it is a good idea to mark the insulation on the three live conductors (3,4,5) with a dot from a marker pen to make them easier to identify, these are the conductors that most DIYers connect back up incorrectly, the two conductors 2 and 3 can be reconnected the wrong way round and the switch will still work correctly, the neutral conductors 6 and 7 are obviously easily identifiable but must be connected to their own terminal block within the ceiling rose. Top Tip: Another simple idea aside drawing how the ceiling rose is connected is to take a photo on your mobile for reference later.

Loosen the terminal screws one at a time and pull out each conductor, take care not too loosen the screws too much if the ceiling rose is going to be re-fitted as they are very small and trying to find them after they have fell on the floor can be a great source of amusement for everyone but you trying to find them. Remove the fixing screws and take down the ceiling rose. When the replacement has been fixed in place ensure all connections are tight and all earth conductors are reconnected, replace the fuse / miniature circuit breaker and check the light works as it should, dont forget to check other lights nearby are also working correctly as any errors made in reconnection can affect them too.

Below are diagrams of other common ways a ceiling rose will be connected.

fig 2

Fig 2 shows a common occurrence where the electrician has installed twin and earth for cable C (Red and Black) instead of twin Red to the light-switch, the Black conductor should at least be sheathed with red sleeving to show it is a live conductor, you must mark this conductor with either Red sleeving or Red tape to avoid problems when reconnecting the ceiling rose.

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